[This move by Ramaphosa is clearly aimed at the election next year. They are talking about an election in May, though normally the elections are in April. For the record: The whites who are worried about the situation and who believe that we are facing a race war are talking about there being no actual election in 2019. But I’ve heard this kind of Suidlander type of talk a dozen times before. So I don’t take it seriously at all. THERE WILL BE ELECTIONS, make no mistake.
According to this news report, the land seizure law cannot go through before the elections. I am having a problem with that idea. Surely Ramaphosa intends actually seizing some white farm land in order to PROVE to his support base that he’s done something? Even the blacks become skeptical of their own leaders. So I would think, for the best effect for Ramaphosa, they would ram this through parliament just before the elections, or perhaps a short period before the elections wherein they could then immediately seize some farm land in order to prove their bona fides. Such a move might be very powerful. It might even tear down Julius Malema’s EFF and bring even the most radical blacks back to the ANC.
General Tienie Groenewald of Military Intelligence, had told me in 2001, that Ramaphosa would finish us whites off. He also told me that Ramaphosa is the 2nd most popular black, next to Mandela himself.
The danger therefore is that Ramaphosa might focus on black unity and bringing all the blacks back from the EFF and the other radical splinter groups. If he does this, he would possibly even have a 2/3rds majority in parliament by way of the ANC ONLY. He would then be in a position to change the constitution at will and ram anything through that he wants for the next 5 years. This has always been a danger and the ANC has always fallen short of it. But perhaps Ramaphosa can actually pull this off. If so, then it means we’re firmly in a 1 party state with the types of powers like Mugabe had in Zimbabwe.
Once the ruling party can change the constitution, then we have a real problem. Although, to be honest, the ANC and EFF were already working together. Whether the EFF ever truly was split off from the ANC is another question. They are all originally from the ANC.
I would think that for Ramaphosa to really win BIG, that ramming this through before the election AND seizing some white farms – even if it was just a few dozen, or a 100 or 200, would be enough for him to pull off an enormous election win.
Ramaphosa is a liar and he is two-faced. This is for real. The Jews are backing him 100%. The Jews will lie in unison with him.
So far, Ramaphosa has seemed to be treading carefully. He seems to be concerned about the economy and harming it.
I think he will do something that looks impressive enough to the blacks, but is not on such a large scale that the Jews and International investors pull out. I think he’ll seize as many farms as he can without causing a war. I don’t think he wants a war or any kind of calamity now. I think he will want as many black voters as he can get WITHOUT causing a war.
The whites don’t want a war and the whites are not ready to fight a war. All the moves of the whites in the Right Wing are for self-defence if the blacks attack us on a massive scale – which they won’t. So we’re preparing for an attack that won’t come, while the blacks will be making their real move, which is the farms. Their most critical move IS TO SEIZE THE FARMS. They want to seize the farms. They don’t want to attack us all.
The ANC and Ramaphosa are tied up in the International Jewish spiderweb of commerce. He won’t want the economy to collapse overtly, mainly because he does not want to lose black votes. The blacks need jobs and work. He cannot damage that.
He won’t mind hurting the whites by seizing some farms, because the bit of pain from seizing the farms will buy him big amounts of votes.
I think what will go down is that whites prepare for an event that won’t happen, while the real event, land seizure, will go through on a scale that is not big enough to cause economic collapse. I think that for the ANC to seize 200 farms before the election is probably as much as they can do. They might seize the farms and make a big spectacle of each one, even if they only seize, say 50 of them.
I don’t think the ANC will seize thousands of farms. I think that would cause too much mayhem. Their original list is 200 farms.
They might also duck and dive. They may well make a big issue of it up to the election and then immediately after the election pretend to backtrack and then lie to the whites, and then calm things down. I think after the election there will be a LOT of LYING and fake moves to make the whites feel at ease and to SEND THE WHITES BACK TO SLEEP AGAIN!
The Internationalists are somewhat scared of South Africa already despite them being keen to be in bed with the ANC. However, Jews & Liberals will lie INTENSELY all through Ramaphosa’s tenure as president about how successful he was with the farms he seized. I expect them to lie and exaggerate about how clever and successful his moves were. The danger from this will be that in years to come it may fuel a slowish but steady pace of land theft from the whites. This is one possible scenario.
What I find scary is if Ramaphosa seizes farms and then brings in big (((International))) read: Jew companies or Jew-related companies or black/Jew companies to mine the minerals on the farms. I’m not sure what other plans he has with the farms. It seems to me he will seize the farms and then bring in businesses to mine/work them. He and the Jews might then lie on a massive scale about how successful and good this is, even if it is bad.
These are the best guesses I can give at this stage.
I’m absolutely certain that we do NOT face annihilation. I think it will be a bad year for us farming-wise, but we’ll still be far from finished.
I think the Ramaphosa years will be filled to the brim with more lies than we’ve seen since Mandela and Mbeki’s time. The Jews will be back with a vengeance. It is possible that the Jews’ own political party, the DA will be harmed by Ramaphosa and that the Jews will be throwing most of their eggs into the ANC basket.
I have thought of whites resisting the actual seizure of the farms or even going to war over it. I think Ramaphosa does fear this a bit, but that the CIA, British Intelligence; as well as our own military/intelligence people will be doing what they can to either prevent the Govt going over a certain “limit” or to prevent whites from successfully putting up real resistance.
I think the farms will be seized but that nobody is going to go to war over it. Any white farmers or their supporters who resist it will be arrested. I think the Govt will try to reduce the tension after the election by lying about it to the whites.
I do favour the idea of big scale white mass action or even resistance to the Govt moves, but I don’t think anyone is ready for it this year.
I don’t trust Ramaphosa at all. I wish Zuma was around.
I take the predictions of General Groenewald seriously. Ramaphosa is dangerous if he rallies most of the blacks around him. The Jews will be firmly there. I strongly suspect that Ramaphosa may anyway have converted to Judaism some years ago – so I am extremely wary of him.
I think the events of the 1st 6 months of 2019, will allow us whites to be in a position to assess the true power and danger of Ramaphosa in the years to come. This is his chance to make a HUGE MOVE… and everything is in place for him. But we will have to see and assess how it works out. If he does NOT make a BIG MOVE, as I’ve described above … then that will give us new insights into what he really is like. Currently, there is a lot of stuff about him that I can’t assess properly. What I do know is that he’s a total f*cking liar of the first order – and he’s very two faced and very deceptive. But at the heart of it all, I want to know how powerful a hold he really has. His links to Jews and internationalists means that the white Liberal scum, all of whom should be hung from lampposts, will be singing praises to him and lying in unison inside and outside South Africa. I think the need for us to spread the truth will be more important than EVER BEFORE.
As for whites, I think we’ve reached the point where the Jews are 100% on the side of the ANC, and from here on, Jewish interests and white interests will be totally opposed to each other, and now whites will feel the pain of that Jewish backstab, as those backstabs continue for years to come.
So we’ll live, but perhaps the good news will be that we’ll find ourselves slipping a little deeper into the abyss and whites will have more reason to be afraid. But we’ll all still be alive.
NB: I think too much has been read into this one court case. What I do not know is what other legal procedures may exist. But remember, the courts, despite their apparent hallowed status, are always spineless garbage and in the end they will lick the hand of Govt that feeds them. I can’t see how legal procedures can stop the Govt. At best it might slow it down a bit. The most important point to remember is that by following all the legal principles, we will then at least have shown that we tried everything LEGALLY … and that it ALL FAILED. This will be useful for a future time if we find ourselves utterly desperate and we prepare to move into ILLEGAL activities.
Final note, there are aspects of this report below which I do not trust. Jan]
White farmers’ legal fight against plans to give their land to black South Africans without compensation is thrown out by country’s High Court
- South Africa’s High Court rejected a legal challenge brought by white farmers
- President Cyril Ramaphosa plans land expropriation without any compensation
- Afriforum questioned legality of change to the constitution to allow land reforms
South Africa‘s High Court rejected a legal challenge today brought by a group representing white farmers against President Cyril Ramaphosa’s plans for land expropriation without compensation.
Land is a hot-button issue in South Africa where racial inequality remains entrenched more than two decades after the end of apartheid when millions of the black majority were dispossessed of their land by a white minority.
Ramaphosa, who replaced scandal-plagued Jacob Zuma in February, has made land redistribution a flagship policy as he seeks to unite the fractured ruling African National Congress (ANC) and win public support ahead of an election next year.
In its legal challenge, Afriforum questioned the legality of a key parliamentary committee report which recommended a change to the constitution to allow land expropriation without compensation.
President Cyril Ramaphosa (right) arriving at the G20 summit by Argentina’s Foreign Affairs Minister Jorge Faurie, at Ezeiza International airport in Buenos Aires yesterday
‘The relief sought by the applicants… is dismissed,’ said Judge Vincent Saldanha.
Afriforum, which represents mostly white Afrikaners, alleged that the parliamentary committee had illegally appointed an external service provider to compile the report, and also failed to consider more than 100,000 submissions opposing land expropriation without compensation.
Around 65 percent of public submissions were against a change, according to parliamentary officials.
Parliament successfully countered Afriforum’s case by saying the court action was premature, the committee had not abrogated its powers and all views had been taken into account.
Lewis Nzimande, co-chair of the constitutional review committee, told reporters outside the High Court in Cape Town.
‘They [lawmakers] may set aside the recommendations, they may reject the recommendations but procedurally… we can’t just reject the whole work of the committee,’ he said.
He said the report, just one step in a long process to change the constitution, will probably be debated in both houses of parliament on December 4.
Thereafter, it is expected a new bill proposing the exact changes envisaged to the constitution will go to parliament and further public participation.
Only once both houses of parliament approve changes to the constitution will it be sent to Ramaphosa for ratification.
Cyril Ramaphosa has made land redistribution from white farmers to black disadvantaged citizens a flagship policy
This process is unlikely to be completed before a parliamentary election expected to be held in May.
Afriforum said after the judgement they would continue challenging what they say is a flawed process, including through further legal action.
‘AfriForum therefore undertakes to use every possible mechanism at its disposal to, in the interest of everyone in the country, fight to the bitter end against the undermining of property rights,’ it said in a statement.
Nearly a quarter of a century after the end of white-minority rule, white South Africans comprise just eight per cent of the population but still hold most of the individually owned private land.
This disparity keeps most of the economic power in the hands of a few and makes the country one of the most unequal societies in the world.
In July President Cyril Ramaphosa said the ANC planned to amend the constitution to allow for expropriation without compensation, sparking concerns that the move could destabilise the fragile economy and spur conflict in an already socially divided nation.
A month later US President Donald Trump waded into the controversy by tweeting – incorrectly – that South Africa had begun seizing farms and that high numbers of farmers were being killed.